Derleth, who is in a dangerous frame of mind:

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DO NOT COMPARE MEDICAL TREATMENT TO RAPE!

If you were a doctor and defined the insertion of your dick into your patient's orifice against your patient's will as therapeutic, are we to suppose it would then constitute "medical treatment"?

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I do not respect your right to remain a danger to society.

Members of the board, I put it to you that Derleth, via his attitudes and in light of his statements here, is a danger to society.

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I do not respect your right to refuse court-ordered treatment for a disorder you have proven you have by, say, past violent actions.

The alleged disorder justifies forced drugging on the grounds that future violence is considered a possibility, and the correctness of the diagnosis is assumed on the basis of a history of violence. Notice that the act of forcibly drugging a citizen against his will is somehow not construed as violence, but defending one's self against such an assault is?

I ask that you give due consideration to the following speculation: Derleth has decided that persons such as myself should be incapacitated through the use of drugs, and will excuse any violence as justifiable means if it works toward those ends, while defining any resistance to that violence as a "symptom" that further justifies the success of his endeavor.

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Not enough so to guarantee your continued survival if you try to force it on me.

That's not self-defense, that's homicide. Theraputic dosages of medicine will not kill you, no matter how groggy they make you feel.

Here again you will note further insistence on his part that the forced drugging which he has defined as "therapeutic" would not constitute an assault, therefore making it okay for him to proceed while making it a criminal act for me to defend myself against such such an assault.

Surely you will all agree that if you assault people, they have the right to defend their person with reasonable force. I may not have the legal right to kill Derleth if I can prevent him from forcibly drugging me through simply (let's say) taking the hypodermic out of his hands, but if there is no realistic course by which I may prevent him from drugging me without using deadly force, and deadly force is available, that is indeed self-defense.

The fact that he does not understand this, or chooses to proceed as if he did not -- either way, not accepting it as a valid principle of individual self-determination in our society -- indicates to me that he could act on these delusions of therapeutic grandeur at any time, and as such constitutes a danger to others.

 

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